Cell growth or stretching
I’m currently studying this as we speak.
Or do you think it really is a matter of just lengthing the ligaments or stretching the tunica?
I hope this makes sence.
If anything splits, it’s the tissue - microscopically.
One situation confounds me more than anything.
I don’t doubt the cellular division/activity potential, I just wonder how it takes place in the right areas without creating erectile dysfunction.
One point I’ve always pondered about healing in the extended state is how long it actually takes to heal if damage was in fact done to the tissues that are responsible for an increase in penis size.
Normal stretches would obviously want the material to be weaker but traction could be helped by increased synthesis rates by directing placement of the newly formed protein.
A long jelq would be an hour and far from continuous, progressive traction at least in comparison to hanging.
Most of the gains spoke of within the PE community, both pay and free/independent credit the vast majority of gains to jelqing and/or manual stretching.
And if there is a difference in the route you take in the different methods of PE.
IOW I am comfortable with the “induction by traction” applied to the penis and it’s enlargement for it certainly seems feasible over the long term.
For me, I have yet to be fortunate enough to actually see these effects in myself thus far, but believe in the potential with regards to time issues, relatively constant stresses, and the traction/stretching method.
Dino It’s my opinion that PE encourages cells to grow, rather than providing growth by mechanically splitting these cells.
Perhaps this is why Bib found success with “cool down in the elongated state.” As heat was removed, enegy disipated forcing breaks in polypeptide chains as they moved toward a lower energy state.
Jelqing seems analogous to very short time periods of hanging with a light weight at best.
To make more cells, existing ones must divide and, to survive, each of these divided cells must contain it’s own nucleus.
The trick is probably to break these bonds and then make you body fill in the gaps if the matrix is broken in places.
If cells are destroyed by being crushed, split or whatever, the body replaces them.
If someone else would like to look at this then : http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/85/1/124.pdf http://www.google.com/custom?q=stress+collagen+turnover&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&cof=AWFID:2ecb5fb2aa9e174c%3BAH:center%3BS:http://insight-com.com%3B&start=10&sa=N
groa groa, I would think the same would be true with jelqing, though I doubt there are cellular physiology studies on the impact of jelqing.
I think your right about healing in an extended state.
I personally don’t buy into the whole cell thing, but I am open to hear otherwise because I can not be sure.
Dance Hi Dance, This is talked about often but from a scientific point of view I am not stretching super hard each time I am still preventing my peins from relaxing to its previous size and perhaps there is enzymatic machinery that fills in the gaps if the matrix is broken in places.
We talk a lot about stretching tissue but it is charactoristicly different than say a metal in that we have repair processes and in that our ligaments may have multiple confortations.
groa Groa, To fully satisfy your curiosity, I would access a medical/scientific data base such as Med Line and others; you can check out the research per traction and induction of mitotic cell division to your satisfaction.
The ligs are also probably made of protein, I would have to look it up, but the same might hold for them.
Try as I do, I just don’t see the similarities.
I’d guess, in essence, they two views of the same thing.
If a cell was split by mechnical means, at very best, only the half containing the nucleus could survive.
Dance, I think your mention of tunica and ligs is quite accurate with respect to the tunica albuginea.
Best regards, Merlin What about the jelqing part?
This is not my field, any Cell Biologists here?
Being sore the next day might mean that the gaps are being filled instead of relaxing to the origional state.
Again, any ideas on it?
Considering the stresses in a time frame, it’s appears far different from hanging/traction.
Or Both?
Pensimith PS Dance, could you look at my next day sore post, it might be related.
When you simple stretch a lig perhaps you are only bringing it to a higher energy conformation without actualy breaking covalent bonds between the protein subunits.
The trick is probably to break these bonds and then make you body fill in the gaps by maintaining the gaps.
Might, like you said, heal while hanging.
Far different situation than long periods of traction.
Well what do you guys buy them?
Any ideas on this?
One point I’ve always pondered about healing in an extended state.
Kinda ambiguous about stretching versus “cell/tissue creation” when it comes to damage and healing.
groa Guys I’m still confused over this like dance said is PE really causing cells to grow split or whatever?
But that’s where my question or comparison of hanging and jelqing comes from.
Dino Very thought provoking stuff!
Dance, I think your right about healing in the extended state is how long it actually takes to heal if damage was in fact done to the tissues that are responsible for an increase in penis size.
These stresses do not mimic normal growth in many ways and that’s really got me curious.
Am I missing something here, perhaps a similarity that you could point out?